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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://physicalliving.com/be-careful-who-you-talk-to-about-crossfit/comment-page-1/#comment-14740</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joseph,

Thanks for your thoughtful comment. You bring up an important point, and I want to be very clear with my readers. My experience with CrossFit is somewhat limited. I followed the WOD as-is for 3 months several years ago. After that, I deliberately stopped all CrossFit-style training, and I&#039;ve never gone back. Some may argue that this is not long enough to truly understand the system. I think it was plenty of time to experience what I needed. Apart from that, I worked with a few CrossFit trainers back in 2006, but never with someone who was ONLY CrossFit certified and who ONLY uses CrossFit training protocol. In my experience, the best CrossFit coaches are the ones who blend their own knowledge and experience with some of the CrossFit system strengths - not coaches whom are only only CrossFit certified. 

you wrote:
&quot;You are providing a balanced opinion on the matter, but not an expert opinion coming from direct experience within Crossfit itself.&quot;

This is exactly why I published these posts on CrossFit, because I can offer an unbiased review for my readers. 

you wrote:
Crossfit has some extremely beneficial effects. 

I partially agree. CrossFit does have some benefits as I&#039;ve noted above, but also some drawbacks. One of them is that any performance-first fitness system, puts performance before health. Therefore, some aspects of health will deteriorate because of the priority that performance holds in the training programs. 

you wrote:
&quot;@John sorry to say, but your assessment isn’t correct. Muscles don’t just arbitrarily break down as you describe.&quot; 

I never said that in either of my CrossFit reviews, nor would I ever say that muscles just arbitrarily break down. May I ask what you are referring to?

you wrote:
&quot;Please feel free to review the video from this years Crossfit games featuring the Masters competitors to see how Crossfit affects age.&quot; 

I&#039;ve reviewed enough CrossFit videos :)

But seriously, appearance is only one indicator of health, and you can only understand a fraction of what makes up our health from looking at a person, and especially from watching a video. Our culture has created an artificial image of what good health should look like anyways.

you wrote:
&quot;The fundamental problem is the phrase “I’ve tried Crossfit” is bantered around as condemnation against the programming. If you aren’t training at a good to excellent affiliate then you are not really doing Crossfit. If you are not continually committed to excellence and seeking to expand your knowledge and understanding in Crossfit (including nutrition, recovery/stretch, mastery of 10 fitness domains, O-lifting – commonly ignored, etc), then you aren’t really doing Crossfit.&quot;

I agree, and like I said in one comment above, it&#039;s an issue of quality control.

Thanks again for your comment, Joseph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joseph,</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful comment. You bring up an important point, and I want to be very clear with my readers. My experience with CrossFit is somewhat limited. I followed the WOD as-is for 3 months several years ago. After that, I deliberately stopped all CrossFit-style training, and I&#8217;ve never gone back. Some may argue that this is not long enough to truly understand the system. I think it was plenty of time to experience what I needed. Apart from that, I worked with a few CrossFit trainers back in 2006, but never with someone who was ONLY CrossFit certified and who ONLY uses CrossFit training protocol. In my experience, the best CrossFit coaches are the ones who blend their own knowledge and experience with some of the CrossFit system strengths &#8211; not coaches whom are only only CrossFit certified. </p>
<p>you wrote:<br />
&#8220;You are providing a balanced opinion on the matter, but not an expert opinion coming from direct experience within Crossfit itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is exactly why I published these posts on CrossFit, because I can offer an unbiased review for my readers. </p>
<p>you wrote:<br />
Crossfit has some extremely beneficial effects. </p>
<p>I partially agree. CrossFit does have some benefits as I&#8217;ve noted above, but also some drawbacks. One of them is that any performance-first fitness system, puts performance before health. Therefore, some aspects of health will deteriorate because of the priority that performance holds in the training programs. </p>
<p>you wrote:<br />
&#8220;@John sorry to say, but your assessment isn’t correct. Muscles don’t just arbitrarily break down as you describe.&#8221; </p>
<p>I never said that in either of my CrossFit reviews, nor would I ever say that muscles just arbitrarily break down. May I ask what you are referring to?</p>
<p>you wrote:<br />
&#8220;Please feel free to review the video from this years Crossfit games featuring the Masters competitors to see how Crossfit affects age.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve reviewed enough CrossFit videos :)</p>
<p>But seriously, appearance is only one indicator of health, and you can only understand a fraction of what makes up our health from looking at a person, and especially from watching a video. Our culture has created an artificial image of what good health should look like anyways.</p>
<p>you wrote:<br />
&#8220;The fundamental problem is the phrase “I’ve tried Crossfit” is bantered around as condemnation against the programming. If you aren’t training at a good to excellent affiliate then you are not really doing Crossfit. If you are not continually committed to excellence and seeking to expand your knowledge and understanding in Crossfit (including nutrition, recovery/stretch, mastery of 10 fitness domains, O-lifting – commonly ignored, etc), then you aren’t really doing Crossfit.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, and like I said in one comment above, it&#8217;s an issue of quality control.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your comment, Joseph.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Doughty</title>
		<link>http://physicalliving.com/be-careful-who-you-talk-to-about-crossfit/comment-page-1/#comment-14671</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Doughty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although your posts treat Crossfit fairly, it is apparent to me you have not trained Crossfit for any real length of time, if at all. It is also suspect whether you have had instruction from a quality Crossfit trainer. You can find the bad in any group. If you have please let us know for how long you have trained and who with (if they are okay with it).

I merely want to point this out because although your opinion is valued and your credentials valued it isn&#039;t coming from a place of direct experience. It was pointed out your posts are bit general and I would agree. You are providing a balanced opinion on the matter, but not an expert opinion coming from direct experience within Crossfit itself.

Having been avidly involved with Crossfit for three years, certified CF level 1 and licensed as a chiropractor for 13 years I can say Crossfit has some extremely beneficial effects.

@John sorry to say, but your assessment isn&#039;t correct. Muscles don&#039;t just arbitrarily break down as you describe. Please feel free to review the video from this years Crossfit games featuring the Masters competitors to see how Crossfit affects age. 

I only wish I had the opportunity to do Crossfit the last 20 years instead of three.

The fundamental problem is the phrase &quot;I&#039;ve tried Crossfit&quot; is bantered around as condemnation against the programming. If you aren&#039;t training at a good to excellent affiliate then you are not really doing Crossfit. If you are not continually committed to excellence and seeking to expand your knowledge and understanding in Crossfit (including nutrition, recovery/stretch, mastery of 10 fitness domains, O-lifting - commonly ignored, etc), then you aren&#039;t really doing Crossfit. 

@JamesMarine0341 I&#039;m sorry you had that experience. But there are apparently a-holes everywhere. I could share stories of my experiences at CF affiliates as well as Globo gyms where ego&#039;s reign high. I hope you stick with it because of the merits of the concepts and not let others fragile ego&#039;s hold you back.

Detractors point to the flaws within Crossfit either in training protocol or personality conflict. The athletes that competed this year at the Crossfit games all expanded on their training protocol to include recovery, stretching and many other modalities common in the fitness arena today. The real test to any other GPP training protocol is to match up against Crossfit. Pick some stuff your program is great at, pick some stuff that is neutral (ie. a random sport), then pick some stuff Crossfit is great at. Establish a scoring criteria and see what happens. This is one way to measure one program against another. Crossfit welcomes others to prove their protocol superior.

Some people miss the point that Crossfit is the &quot;sport&quot; of fitness. And in sport their is ego. C&#039;mon have you seen how pro ball players act. And they get paid big bucks to play and they still act like idiots sometimes. If you don&#039;t like Crossfit, fine, remove the name. But, be sure to check out Olympic lifting, basic gymnastics, plyometrics, powerlifting and the slew of other training modalities that comprise Crossfit. They will help round out your fitness experience and help you grow.

Just my 2 cents.

Thanks for the posts, I&#039;ll keep reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although your posts treat Crossfit fairly, it is apparent to me you have not trained Crossfit for any real length of time, if at all. It is also suspect whether you have had instruction from a quality Crossfit trainer. You can find the bad in any group. If you have please let us know for how long you have trained and who with (if they are okay with it).</p>
<p>I merely want to point this out because although your opinion is valued and your credentials valued it isn&#8217;t coming from a place of direct experience. It was pointed out your posts are bit general and I would agree. You are providing a balanced opinion on the matter, but not an expert opinion coming from direct experience within Crossfit itself.</p>
<p>Having been avidly involved with Crossfit for three years, certified CF level 1 and licensed as a chiropractor for 13 years I can say Crossfit has some extremely beneficial effects.</p>
<p>@John sorry to say, but your assessment isn&#8217;t correct. Muscles don&#8217;t just arbitrarily break down as you describe. Please feel free to review the video from this years Crossfit games featuring the Masters competitors to see how Crossfit affects age. </p>
<p>I only wish I had the opportunity to do Crossfit the last 20 years instead of three.</p>
<p>The fundamental problem is the phrase &#8220;I&#8217;ve tried Crossfit&#8221; is bantered around as condemnation against the programming. If you aren&#8217;t training at a good to excellent affiliate then you are not really doing Crossfit. If you are not continually committed to excellence and seeking to expand your knowledge and understanding in Crossfit (including nutrition, recovery/stretch, mastery of 10 fitness domains, O-lifting &#8211; commonly ignored, etc), then you aren&#8217;t really doing Crossfit. </p>
<p>@JamesMarine0341 I&#8217;m sorry you had that experience. But there are apparently a-holes everywhere. I could share stories of my experiences at CF affiliates as well as Globo gyms where ego&#8217;s reign high. I hope you stick with it because of the merits of the concepts and not let others fragile ego&#8217;s hold you back.</p>
<p>Detractors point to the flaws within Crossfit either in training protocol or personality conflict. The athletes that competed this year at the Crossfit games all expanded on their training protocol to include recovery, stretching and many other modalities common in the fitness arena today. The real test to any other GPP training protocol is to match up against Crossfit. Pick some stuff your program is great at, pick some stuff that is neutral (ie. a random sport), then pick some stuff Crossfit is great at. Establish a scoring criteria and see what happens. This is one way to measure one program against another. Crossfit welcomes others to prove their protocol superior.</p>
<p>Some people miss the point that Crossfit is the &#8220;sport&#8221; of fitness. And in sport their is ego. C&#8217;mon have you seen how pro ball players act. And they get paid big bucks to play and they still act like idiots sometimes. If you don&#8217;t like Crossfit, fine, remove the name. But, be sure to check out Olympic lifting, basic gymnastics, plyometrics, powerlifting and the slew of other training modalities that comprise Crossfit. They will help round out your fitness experience and help you grow.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
<p>Thanks for the posts, I&#8217;ll keep reading.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://physicalliving.com/be-careful-who-you-talk-to-about-crossfit/comment-page-1/#comment-12240</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome article!  I&#039;ve done tons of personal reading and research and participated in many different training methods, and I&#039;ve been impressed with Crossfit but also a little wary of it.  I think you make some really good points and you are absolutely correct.  Sometimes I ask myself, &quot;How long can the human body sustain the Crossfit style at the high intensity that crossfit demands?&quot;  It seems to me that someone can&#039;t possibly do olympic lifting and kipping pullups fromage 20 to age 60 year after year after year.  Tissue just breaks down, joints get old, etc etc.....

Good job John!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome article!  I&#8217;ve done tons of personal reading and research and participated in many different training methods, and I&#8217;ve been impressed with Crossfit but also a little wary of it.  I think you make some really good points and you are absolutely correct.  Sometimes I ask myself, &#8220;How long can the human body sustain the Crossfit style at the high intensity that crossfit demands?&#8221;  It seems to me that someone can&#8217;t possibly do olympic lifting and kipping pullups fromage 20 to age 60 year after year after year.  Tissue just breaks down, joints get old, etc etc&#8230;..</p>
<p>Good job John!</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 05:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo... well written, mature and responsible.. Both articles. I own a training studio surrounded by 6 (yes 6) crossfit gyms within 2 miles. I have been here for 6 years, they started popping up 1 year ago.  i will be here for 50 more. I sense most of these will pop up and fad out just like spinning, just like jazzercise and many other (perfectly legitimate) but over-hyped fitness fads. You have to constantly change your workout, if you become a fanatic of one movement system it will ultimately lead to burnout, boredom and at worst over use injuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo&#8230; well written, mature and responsible.. Both articles. I own a training studio surrounded by 6 (yes 6) crossfit gyms within 2 miles. I have been here for 6 years, they started popping up 1 year ago.  i will be here for 50 more. I sense most of these will pop up and fad out just like spinning, just like jazzercise and many other (perfectly legitimate) but over-hyped fitness fads. You have to constantly change your workout, if you become a fanatic of one movement system it will ultimately lead to burnout, boredom and at worst over use injuries.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesMarine0341</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesMarine0341</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 18:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just tried to make a simple point about proper burpees and proper push-up form on the crossfit main site. Having seen many in and out of the Marine Corps who have sustained injuries due to improper form and harmful &quot;intensity&quot; irregardless of one&#039;s limitations and good common sense. I tried to make this point in a friendly and constructive manner but was virtually attacked by some who claimed to be former marines and such and then subsequently had my posts completely deleted. Mind you, there was nothing incendiary in those posts aside from a gentle questioning of the WOD in the youtube video above and why the burpees and push-ups were counted despite what can only be described as atrocious form. A few members agreed with me but not sure what happened to them. Also, I have taken the elements course a few years back and have been training in and out of the military for many years so I&#039;m not exactly a newbie. I have been training in CF for over 3 years. I liked crossfit and most of its training philosphies but this kind of turned me off to their leadership and has me questioning the validity of some of their teachings. I&#039;m also not quite sure what posting &quot;an awesome time&quot; on Fran really does in the real world. Too many members of CF like to brag about their WOD times while doing absolutely nothing in the real world that utilizes their alleged newfound &quot;athleticism&quot;. By the way, they apparently banned me completely from posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just tried to make a simple point about proper burpees and proper push-up form on the crossfit main site. Having seen many in and out of the Marine Corps who have sustained injuries due to improper form and harmful &#8220;intensity&#8221; irregardless of one&#8217;s limitations and good common sense. I tried to make this point in a friendly and constructive manner but was virtually attacked by some who claimed to be former marines and such and then subsequently had my posts completely deleted. Mind you, there was nothing incendiary in those posts aside from a gentle questioning of the WOD in the youtube video above and why the burpees and push-ups were counted despite what can only be described as atrocious form. A few members agreed with me but not sure what happened to them. Also, I have taken the elements course a few years back and have been training in and out of the military for many years so I&#8217;m not exactly a newbie. I have been training in CF for over 3 years. I liked crossfit and most of its training philosphies but this kind of turned me off to their leadership and has me questioning the validity of some of their teachings. I&#8217;m also not quite sure what posting &#8220;an awesome time&#8221; on Fran really does in the real world. Too many members of CF like to brag about their WOD times while doing absolutely nothing in the real world that utilizes their alleged newfound &#8220;athleticism&#8221;. By the way, they apparently banned me completely from posting.</p>
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